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Mar 15, 2006

L IED

Iranied

From GWB's speech on Monday at GWU:

Some of the most powerful IEDs we are seeing in Iraq today includes components that came from Iran. Our director of National Intelligence, John Negroponte, told the Congress Tehran has been responsible for at least some of the increasing lethality of anti- coalition attacks by providing Shi'a militia with the capabilities to build improvised explosive devices in Iraq. Coalition forces have seized IEDs and components that were clearly produced in Iran.

From Reuters article from Tuesday: "US General Says No Proof Iran Behind Iraq Arms" (Via AmericaBlog.)

President George W. Bush said on Monday components from Iran were being used in powerful roadside bombs used in Iraq, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said last week that Iranian Revolutionary Guard personnel had been inside Iraq.

Asked whether the United States has proof that Iran's government was behind these developments, Marine Corps Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the military's Joint Chiefs of Staff, told a Pentagon briefing, "I do not, sir."

Comments

If confusion is victory, we won.

It is a pity that Powell wasn't quite so honest about the "proofs" leading the US into the bloody mess in the first place. Bush is so certain of what he wants to believe, and so wrong in his facts.

Our half-million dollar vehicles and the priceless young soldiers are dying to baling-wire and brown-paper devices. Thank you for the illustration showing exactly how improvised and crudely cobbled together such roadside bombs are.

Carolly

How many times did they/he say Weapons of Mass Destruction before Iraq? Why should anyone trust them/him now? They could say the world is flat and 35% of Americans would believe them without question.

Nice art Mr. Bag.

how dare you give aid n' cumfert to the terrists by printing this iranian bomb on the innernets!

"Unless you physically see it in a government-sponsored vehicle or with government-sponsored troops, you can't KNOW it," Tue Mar 14, 2006.

Inspired by this recent quote, and adding to the cathartic delight of this great drawing, from my collection of Ducky Rumsfeld gems:

"As we know, There are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know There are know unknowns. That is to say We know there are some things We do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, The ones we don't we don't known We don't know."- Feb,12, 2002 DOD news briefing.
(Yes I doubled checked it)

MUGATEA, just for you another (they) Rumsfeld gem:

"We know where [Iraq's WMD] are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat"-March 30, 2003 in a statement to the press.

Great drawing, and great quotes, jt.

I'm so glad you addressed this, Michael, because when I heard about those Iranian "components", I had about the same thoughts.

And you know, some of the guys in Guantanamo are in there because they owned Casio model F91W watches, which could supposedly be used as timers in explosive devices. Never mind that they're also cheap, reliable watches that are owned by people all over the world. I wonder if they were used in any of these explosive devices, and if we need to invade Japan as a result.

OK, once again I am missing it. President Bush makes two claims:

  1. Components manufactured in Iran have been found in IEDs in Iraq.
  2. "John Negroponte, told the Congress Tehran has been responsible for at least some of the increasing lethality of anti- coalition attacks"

Your second quote addresses is a general who says he has proof of Iranian government involvement. That, of course, is not what is claimed in (1) (one might as well say that the claim that this weblog is made in America is a lie because there's no proof it's run by the Bush Administration). As for (2), how could this change what Negroponte said to Congress? If you want to claim Negroponte's a liar, that would at least be relevant to your quotes.

Surey, given was a massive and pathological liar Bush is, you could come up with examples that don't depend on blatant misinterprations and irrelevant counter-quotes.

I have to admit that when Bush said the Iranians were supplying IED material I accepted it at face value, but the Bag makes a good point.

So if a soldier detects an IED I would think they would blow it up from a safe distance instead of taking it apart and figuring out how it works. And even if they took it apart and found an Irananian mortor inside that wouldn't really prove that Iran was involved... It could be that they found one IED from Iran. Really the thing is that Bush isn't a believable person. He exagerates and misrepresents and sometimes he doesn't even understand the issues clearly to begin with. He may want to stir up a conflict with Iran before the mid-term elections.

"John Negroponte, told the Congress Tehran has been responsible for at least some of the increasing lethality of anti- coalition attacks"

"Today nearly half the IEDs in Iraq are found and disabled before they can be detonated. In the past 18 months, we've cut the casualty rate per IED attack in half."

So either the attacks are more lethal or half as lethal depend on which parts of the speech you want to believe...

error27, I think the attacks are more or less lethal.

This Bush quote is sheer genius. Here we have the power of non sequitur construction. Here's how it works:
1) (Some of) The most powerful (meaning "lethal") IEDs have components from Iran.
2) John Negroponte (a guy who should know) told Congress that Tehran (which we know is in Iran) is responsible for (some of) the "lethality" of attacks on U.S. troops by (providing "capabilities"--or parts possibly?--to build those super super-lethal) IEDs.
3) Actual complete *IEDs and* components have Made in Iran ("clearly") stamped all over them.

John Negroponte's claim before Congress does not actually follow from Bush's first sentence about IED component parts from Iran. In fact, the second sentence is total gibberish--it makes no sense and says nothing. The two sentences together *sound like* they are saying something, however, because they offer specific details: names, places, authority figures, "Shi'as" (which ones are they again?). If someone who's listening is not hypervigilant, those first two sentences *seem* to go together. But as a normal, confused listener is trying to figure out the logic of what Bush just said, Bush repeats the first sentence a little more forcefully, fudging the facts just a smidgen (or did he leave out a comma after the word "IEDs" and the word "their" before the word "components"?)--"Coalition forces have seized IEDs and components that were clearly produced in Iran"--which is really the only sentence Bush wants us to hear. The strategy is: Confuse the shit out of us, then deliver the simple single message at the end. Masterful.

Is "W" referring to washing machine timers (shown recently on CNN) were these machines booty from the Iraq/Iran War ?
Does he know this, or is it an unknown known which he should have known but may never know ? If the knowns don't favorably add up I know for certain we'll never know as this could make future "attacks (are) more or less lethal."
These high tech devices provide further credence to the Caliphascist World Vision as noted by all leading neocons thinkers.

jt, I too want to thank you for resurrecting the Rummy quotes. The There Are Things We Know We Know speech is one of my favorites (or one of my least favorites, as the case may be). I know I knew it, but I forgot I knew it.

jt, thanks for the Rum shot. He's so smug it makes me uncomfortable. His words in print can't reproduce the emphasis that only he can deliver. If we forget history it's bound to repeat itself.

You go to war with the leaders electronic voting gives you.

Let us count the ways:

Has Bush L-IED Again? John Brown
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0316-31.htm

Don Rummy turning to Gen. and passing it to him and looking with an expectant look on his face.

"I do not, sir." Period, pause, end of the line.

To bad it was not a punch line. So sad.

Gleex, I saw that, too. I laughed. Then I cried.

Did you know that Rumsfeld is 5'7"? Not to push any stereotypes about short men, but that fact explains a lot in my mind.

At the same time Bush will say the world is round and 65% will come to places like this with proof that he lied.

Any Idiot Can make a bomb, except maybe if you really are an Idiot! If you are an Idiot you'll believe anything anyway. I hear this talk of history repeating itself, yep, I am sure it does. I remember the Vietnam war during the 68 Tet offense when Walter Conkrite came on the evening news and said that we could not win the war, Yes, in front of millions of American's eating their evening meal. Thank you Walter, (are you dead yet?)... The fact is we were winning the war (research your history) we just lost stomach for it because it interfered with our evening meal.
I won't let our young men and women in the Armed Forces hang out to dry again... Get a backbone!

"Coalition forces have seized IEDs and components that were clearly produced in Iran." One example shown was a Iranian 81mm mortor shell with english markings and a western date. Many of you have not done your research and have bought into the idea that this is all disinformation. Well I have done my homework and the mortor is indeed an Iranian made mortor known as the 81 mm HM15 produced by Defence Industries Organization (D.I.O.) , affiliated to the Ministry of Defence and Armed Forces Logistics was established in 1924 and it's entire capital belongs to the government of I.R.Iran Contact info marketing@diol.org www.diomil.ir

You can see the English labeled products by going out to www.diomil.ir

Here is a description:

81 mm HM15
Hadid 81mm mortar launchers are of unrifled and barrel-loading type with 360o of firing field.
Because of possessing high shooting angle, this weapon enables to fire from behind of obstacles.
In regions where routs are impracticable, the mortar can be taken apart and carried by infantry.
Due to its simple structure, it can be erected and operated only by two or three persons.

hadid mortar 81mm ammunition

ILLUMINATING
This Mortar Bomb is intended for illuminating a desired point or area and consists of a time fuze, thin-walled steel body-tube, parachute, steel tail cone and fin assemblies containing propellant increment charges, ignition cartridge and propulsion cartridge.
A tail cone is inserted into the body tube and is held in position by four equally spaced shear pins.
The illuminant assembly consists of a first-fire charge and an illuminant contained in a box board case.
The parachute assembly is attached to the illuminant assembly casing by a steel suspension wire.
it's the white bombs of the pic.

81 mm LONG RANGE
DIO has improved his normal type Mortar Bombs to achieve Long Range ones of 60mm and 81mm.
The improvement is not only in the range but also in their performance.
With more volume of explosive material, the new types have more explosion power and respectively much better fragments and finally resulting to better performance.
All these changes are achievable without any changes to the mortar Launchers. are the 2 green and the 2 brown bombs on the pic.


81 mm HIGH EXPLOSIVE & SMOKE
Both HE and smoke types of 81 mm Mortar Bombs have a symmetrically streamlined steel body with a welded steel eight-fin tail unit screwed to the rear end.
A primary cartridge fits into the end of the tail tube and increment charges can be clipped into the fins. are the 2 light green bombs and 1 dark green bomb on the pic.

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